Posted by Peter Gallagher on November 22, 2002 at 23:19:22:
In Reply to: Re: eBay - One Seller's Experiences (a humble correction, if I may) posted by James on November 20, 2002 at 21:38:45:
I appreciate your view and I agree with you wholeheartedly that decent honesty should be the expected norm.
But even if it (honesty) is to be expected, I still find it "admirable" and that the lady in question should be lauded for it. I don't want to seem pedantic about this - just explaining my view.
And lest I misrepresented her description, she was only referring to SOME of the prints in that ONE batch as being "junk" ...
(I don't want it to sound like she doesn't sell quality prints - she clearly said she was offloading some lesser prints bought in a batch (by necessity) to acquire a good one which was among them ) :-)
PS: if you feel any need to discuss this further, perhaps we should do so in private, as maybe this is getting a little off-topic(?). Thanks in any case for your original reply.
: Call me old-fashioned, but....
: Without commenting on any particular seller, particularly one I have never had business with, I would like to express some surprise at the previous post and make a general comment on how "the dealer" has changed since the introduction of the internet.
: In the old days (to date myself) a dealer was one who chose select prints for his customers, and took those prints as a reflection of himself. The idea was not "buyer beware" but "buyer, I have experience and will show you the way". Roger Keyes has an interesting story about a dealer who refused to sell him a print (although it was in stock) because Keyes' reasons for buying it were, to the dealer, misguided.
: Admittedly we all have families to feed and care for, and the economic environment is tight for most everyone. But to say that a dealer is admirable because he admits he is selling junk is somewhat surprising to this old timer, coming from where I am. The "buyer beware" comments in this thread also disturb me. Maybe I simply long for an idealized past, but I think a return to the old idea of a dealer, at least as an ideal standard, is what we're all missing.
: : Hello All,
: : I only just started reading this thread and how interesting it is!
: : I won't pass comments either way on any of the arguments, but I'd just like to draw attention to a detail (with no inferences intended to anyone):
: : "Our lady" who goes to Tokyo every now and again just had a "grab bag" of prints up for sale.
: : Please don't expect me to remember word-for-word how she described the prints, but she definitely referred to "some of them being junk". I felt this was admirable and uncommon honesty and with no pretentions whatsoever of rying to disguise "mutton as lamb".... This is the kind of straight-up no-nonsense that buyers (at least: this buyer) appreciate and would like to see from all quarters.
: : In case the lady's sales may have suffered in any way (even subliminally, not to mention: unintentionally), I'd just like to say that I have bought from the seller in question and would have no hesitation to do so egain.
: : regards to all,
: : Peter
: : : :My lord! I've just caught the implications of your last note. So you are the "print making father".
: : : "Pleased to meet you." (whoever you are!)
: : : :I certainly did not mean to insult your daughter. There is nothing wrong with her selling your reprints, or you selling them in her name, or whatever the case may be.
: : : A bit of confusion here? There is no overlap - I sell only my own prints, and none others; she sells only things she finds here in the shops, never my work.
: : :
: : : : The only thing I would suggest is that the implication that these prints are the best to be found hunting in the print shops of Tokyo is an insult to that great city.
: : : Honestly speaking, after re-reading the introduction she uses for her listings I don't see any such implication there, but I'll pass your comments on to her, and perhaps she will re-word it.
: : : : Most eBayer buyers don't know (and no seller is telling them) that a large proportion of modern reprints are made with machine-made blocks of plastic - some sort of "woodblock"!
: : : These indeed are a plague on the market. When they first appeared quite some years ago, the printers were not able to handle them well, and the resulting editions were abominations. But the men have gradually learned how to prints from these things, and it can now be extremely difficult to detect what kind of block (wood, plastic, metal) has been used to make any particular print. Laser cutting is also progressing rapidly, and if you think it's difficult to sort things out now just wait a few more years! :-(
: : : : You are most welcome to have a collection of reprints. But I really wonder: is that what you are buying at eBay? My guess is not. Now, if I am right in this supposition, do tell: why is that?
: : : I don't think there is much more for me to add: I buy beautiful prints, and I buy them wherever I can find them - in shops, in private sales, on Yahoo Auctions here in Japan (where there are some wonderful bargains to be found), and yes ... on eBay ...
: : : Good day ...
: : : Dave Bull
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